I believe the issue of proving who is and who isn't really human on the Internet will be a really important issue in the coming years, especially without sacrificing people's right to privacy and anonymity in the process.
abtinf2026-03-12 05:00
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Good. This helps establish it in the HN culture. That’s the purpose of guidelines. 99% of rule enforcement, both IRL and online, comes down to individuals accepting the culture. Rules aren’t really for adversaries, they are for ordinary situations. Adversaries are dealt with differently.
safog2026-03-12 05:03
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I hope I'm wrong but I don't think a privacy friendly alternative is going to exist. It's going to go the way of show me your drivers license to use my site.
Someone12342026-03-12 05:03
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"AI-edited comments" is a very interesting one. Where is the line between a spelling/grammar/tone checker like Grammarly, that at minimum use N-Grams behind the scenes, and something that is "AI" edited? What I am asking is, is "AI" in this context fully featured LLMs, or anything that improves communication via an automated system. I think many people have used these "advanced" spellcheckers for years before Chatgpt et al came on the scenes. I think "generated comments" is a pretty hard line in the sand, but "AI-edited" is anything but clear cut. PS - I think the idea behind these policies is positive and needed. I'm simply clarifying where it begins and ends.
happytoexplain2026-03-12 05:05
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I think there's a pretty clear gap between editing for grammar/spelling and editing for tone.
jaysonelliot2026-03-12 05:06
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You should use your own words. It might seem that a tool like Grammarly is just an advanced spellcheck, but what it's really doing is replacing your personal style of writing with its own. It's better to communicate as an individual, warts and all, than to replace your expression with a sanitized one just because it seems "better." Language is an incredibly nuanced thing, it's best for people's own thoughts to come through exactly as they have written them.
SecretDreams2026-03-12 05:08
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Your comment is one of semantics. Worth discussing if we're talking a truly hard line rule rather than the spirit of the rule. I benefit from my phone flagging spelling errors/typos for me. Maybe it uses AI or maybe it uses a simple dictionary for me. Maybe it might even catch a string of words when the conjunction isn't correct. That's all fair game, IMO. But it shouldn't be rewriting the sentence for me. And it shouldn't be automatically cleaning up my typos for me after I've hit "reply". That's on me.
glitch132026-03-12 05:11
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I saw a similar conversation somewhere about some project saying they don't allow AI generated code. It was asked that if "AI Generated Code" is just code suggested to you by a computer program, where does using the code that your IDE suggests in a dropdown? That's been around for decades. Is it LLM or "Gen AI" specific? If so, what specific aspect of that makes one use case good and one use case bad and what exactly separates them? It's one of those situations where it seems easy to point at examples and say "this one's good and this one's bad", but when you need to write policy you start drowning in minutia.
Mordisquitos2026-03-12 05:12
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I think that the line between A"I" editing to fix grammar or to translate from a different native language and A"I" editing by using an LLM is one of those things that's very hard to unambiguously encode in written guidelines, but easy to intuitively understand using common sense, in the vein of I know it when I see it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it
tsukikage2026-03-12 05:13
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> Where is the line between a spelling/grammar/tone checker like Grammarly For me, the line is precisely at the point where a human has something they want to say. IMO - use the tools you need to say the thing you want to say; it's fine. The thing I, and many others here, object to is being asked to read reams of text that no-one could be bothered to write.
thousand_nights2026-03-12 05:13
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i don't care if someone has bad grammar, i want to hear their thoughts as they came up with them, we're all intelligent beings and can parse the meaning behind what you write. i type my comments without capitalization like i'm typing into some terminal because i'm lazy and people might hate it but i'm sure they prefer this to if i asked an LLM to rewrite what i type your writing style is your personality, don't let a robot take it away from you
bondarchuk2026-03-12 05:17
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All the weak excuses posted here are just making me lean more towards a hardline policy. No I don't want to read a human-generated summary of your llm brainstorming session. No I don't want to read human-written text with wording changes suggested by an llm. No I don't want to read an excerpt from llm output even if you correctly attribute it. I acknowledge this is partly just my personal bias, in some cases really not fair, and unenforceable anyway, but someone relying on llms just makes me feel like they have... bad taste in information curation, or something, and I'd rather just not interact with them at all.
skywhopper2026-03-12 05:21
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I don’t think it’s really necessary to play Captain Nitpick over spell-check or whatever. You know what is meant.
jacquesm2026-03-12 05:23
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Trying to lawyer this is the wrong approach. When in doubt: don't.
resters2026-03-12 05:23
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It is a personal bias, and it's frankly very stupid. If something is interesting or insightful I do not care what tools the poster used -- encyclopedias, conversations with friends, conversations with ai models, etc.
fouronnes32026-03-12 05:24
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I feel you. I don't think I've ever finished reading a sentence that started with "I asked <LLM> and he said..."
juleiie2026-03-12 05:24
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Look, you can make all the rules you want but in the end vibe check is the only way to have any sort of quality. Look at Reddit… abundance of rules do not save that place at all. It’s all about curating what kind of people your site attracts. Reddit of course is a business so they don’t care about anything other than max number of ad views. Small non profit forums should consciously design a site to deter group(s) of people that they do not want.
altairprime2026-03-12 05:24
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[delayed]
alterom2026-03-12 05:26
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HN: AI is great, useful, and will bring humanity to the future! It will solve so many problems! We should put astounding resources towards building AI and never shame anyone for using it! Also HN: you can't use AI to write here though. Obviously. What a day, what a glorious day.
jmuguy2026-03-12 05:29
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Beyond folks for whom English is a second language, I agree with you. I don't understand why people are immediately trying to find some loophole in this with spelling, grammar, etc checks. We just want to communicate with you, and if you sound like an idiot without the help of an LLM then maybe work on that rather than pretending to be Hemingway.
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